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ക്നാനായ സമുദായത്തിന്റെ യശസ് ഉയര്ത്തി ഹൂസ്ടനിലെ തുണ്ടത്തില് കുടുബം വിണ്ണിലെ നക്ഷത്രങ്ങക്കിടയിലെ പൂര്ണ ചന്ദ്രനെ പോലെ നില്ക്കുമ്പോള്, ആഗോള തലത്തില് ക്നാനായ സമൂഹം അഭിനന്ദന പ്രവാഹവും ആയി തുണ്ടത്തില് കുടുംബം ചെയ്ത മഹത്തരമായ സത്യവും ധര്മ്മവും നിലനില്ക്കാനായി ക്നാനായ സമുടായടിന്റെ ചരിത്രത്തില് തങ്ക ലിപികളാല് രേഖപ്പെട്ട ഒരു പ്രവര്ത്തി ചെയ്തപ്പോള്, VG യും മറ്റു കൂലിക്ക് പേന ഉന്തു കാരും എടുക്കുന്ന നിലപാട് നമൂക്കു മനസ്സില് ആക്കാന് കഴിയും.എങ്ങിനെയും ഒന്നോ രണ്ടോ കല്യാണങ്ങള് അമരിക്കയില് നടന്നാല് പറന്നു വന്നു കേട്ടിക്കള് നടത്തുന്ന ബഹു മെത്രാന്മാരുടെ നിലപാടും നമുക്ക് മനസ്സില് ആക്കാന് കഴിയും.
പക്ഷെ, സമുദായത്തിനു വേണ്ടി എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞു നിലനില്ക്കുന്ന KCCNA യുടെ നിലപാട് എന്താ മുകളില് പറഞ്ഞവരോടൊപ്പം ആണോ?KCCNA ക്ക് ഈ സമുദായത്തോട് യാതൊരു പ്രതിബധതയും ഇല്ലേ ?നിങ്ങള് ഒന്ന് മനസ്സില് ആക്കുക.തുണ്ടത്തില് കുടുംബവും ക്നാനായക്കാരാണ് കാലാകാലങ്ങളില് ഉണ്ടാകുന്ന കണ്വന്ഷന് നടത്തുന്ന ഒരു സംഘടന ആണോ ഷീന്സിന്റെ നേത്രത്വത്തില് ഉള്ളത്?അങ്ങിനെ ആണ് എങ്കില് കഴിഞ്ഞ 25 വര്ഷം ഉണ്ടായ KCCNA യും ഷീന്സിന്റെ നേത്രത്വത്തില് ഉള്ള KCCNA യും തമ്മില് ഞങ്ങള് ഒരു വിത്യാസവും കാണുന്നില്ല.കണ്ണ് തുറന്നു കാണുക ഒരു സമുദായത്തിന്റെ പ്രതിഷേധ പ്രകടനം.
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മാര് അന്ഗാടിയാതിനു അയച്ച വക്കീല് നോടീസിന്റെ പൂര്ണ രൂപം
Suite 200, Houston, TX 7 7 056
September 24,2012
Phone: (281) 2414722
E-mail : jmathew@imalhewlar+dm.com
Mar Jacob Angadiath
St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Catholic Diocese of Chicago
3725. Prairie Avenue
Elmhurst, Illinois 60126
Fr. Jose Mathew Illikunnumpurath
2430 Bradford Drive
Missouri City, TX 77489
Dear Bishop Angadiath and Father Illikunnumpurath:
My name is Joseph Mathew. I am the son of Mathew Joseph Paramel (Mathachan), and the
grandson of late P.M. Joseph (Calcutta Joseph). As a proud member of the Knanaya Catholic
Community,I have always held the Church and the Clergy in the highest regard. Also, I am sure
you are aware of my family's unquestionable loyalty and contributionto the Church andthe
clergy, beginning with my grandfather who helped Mother Teresa start her first school for poor
children in our home in Calcutta, and continuing with my father. Having been mised in a farnily
where the Church and its clergy are held in the highest regard and reverence, it is with deep
sadness and exfteme disappointrnent that I write this letter.
My law firm was approached by Joemon James (Thundathil) who requested our help regarding a
problem with his wedding, which is to be held at St. Teresa's Church in Houston on Saturday,
October 6,2012.As he described his situation, f was not only saddened, but also shocked by his
story.
Joemon and his fianc6, Jainy's, story is one which should be full of happiness. Instead, it has
become one of frustration and sorow.
It began when Joemon requested a letter from Father lllikunnumparth. This letter was required
for Joemon to get married at the St. Theresa's church. In order to receive this letter, though,
Father Illikunnumparth demanded the outrageous sum of $3,000. When Joemon questioned the
demand for the $3,000, he was told that such 'voluntary donations' were required of all couples
seeking such a letter, and that this money would go toward the new building construction fund.
When Joemon brought this incident to the attention of Father Illikunnumparth's superiors,
Joemon was told by Bishop Angadiath and also by Fr. Illikunnumparth that they would give him
the letter and that he could proceed with the wedding preparations.
After many months and multiple attempts to get in touch with both Bishop Angadiath and Fr.
Illikunnumparth, Joemon and Jainy still have not received the letter they were promised months
ago. Prepantions forthe wedding, which is less than two weeks away,have aLlbeen finalized.
However because Fr. Illikunnumpantr has refused to provide the letter, the wedding cannot take
place.
As such, I am proud to represent Joemon and Jainy in this legal matter. The pre-suit notice
which is attached to this letter outlines the legal recourse we are pursuing. We expect to receive
the lefter that was promised to Joemon and Jany by 5PM on Thursday, Septernber 27, 2012. If
the letter is not received by this time, my frm will have no other option but to proceed with a
lawsuit against you.
Sincerely,
Joseph Mathew
Managing Attorney
The Law Offices of J. Mathew. PLLC.
The Law Offices of J. M ath€wrPLLC
5100 WestheimerRoad Phone:Q81)241-9722
Suite 200, Houston, TX77056 E-mail : jmathew@imatlewlawfim.com
September 24,2012
Mar Jacob Angadiath
St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Catholic Diocese of Chicago
372 S. Prairie Avenue
Elmhurst, Illinois 60126
Fr. Jose Mathew Illikunnumpurath
2430 Bradford Drive
Missouri City, TX 77489
RE: Joemon James Thundathil
Dear Bishop Angadiath and Fr. Illikunnumpurath:
I represent Mr. Joemon James Thundathil, who has retained me to assert the following claims
against you:
l. Promissory Estoppel
2. Common Law Fraud
3. Civil Conspiracy
4. Extortion
5. Breach of Fiduciary Duty
6. Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress.
This letter is notice of my client's claim and attempt to resolve this matter without litigation.
My client wishes to resolve this matter without filing suit. Therefore, we request that you provide
us the letter that was promised to my client by 5PM on Thursday, Septembet 27, 2012. If this
letter is not received by 5 PM, suit will be filed against you" and my client will seek recovery of
reasonable attorney fees as allowed by Texas Civil Practice & Remedies Code section 38.001 et
seq. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Sincerely,
Joseph Mathew
Managing Attorney
The Law Offrces of J. Matheq PLLC.
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മാര് അന്ഗാടിയാതിനു അയച്ച വക്കീല് നോടീസിന്റെ പൂര്ണ രൂപം
The Law Offices of J. MathewrPLLC
5100 Westheimer RoadSuite 200, Houston, TX 7 7 056
September 24,2012
Phone: (281) 2414722
E-mail : jmathew@imalhewlar+dm.com
Mar Jacob Angadiath
St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Catholic Diocese of Chicago
3725. Prairie Avenue
Elmhurst, Illinois 60126
Fr. Jose Mathew Illikunnumpurath
2430 Bradford Drive
Missouri City, TX 77489
Dear Bishop Angadiath and Father Illikunnumpurath:
My name is Joseph Mathew. I am the son of Mathew Joseph Paramel (Mathachan), and the
grandson of late P.M. Joseph (Calcutta Joseph). As a proud member of the Knanaya Catholic
Community,I have always held the Church and the Clergy in the highest regard. Also, I am sure
you are aware of my family's unquestionable loyalty and contributionto the Church andthe
clergy, beginning with my grandfather who helped Mother Teresa start her first school for poor
children in our home in Calcutta, and continuing with my father. Having been mised in a farnily
where the Church and its clergy are held in the highest regard and reverence, it is with deep
sadness and exfteme disappointrnent that I write this letter.
My law firm was approached by Joemon James (Thundathil) who requested our help regarding a
problem with his wedding, which is to be held at St. Teresa's Church in Houston on Saturday,
October 6,2012.As he described his situation, f was not only saddened, but also shocked by his
story.
Joemon and his fianc6, Jainy's, story is one which should be full of happiness. Instead, it has
become one of frustration and sorow.
It began when Joemon requested a letter from Father lllikunnumparth. This letter was required
for Joemon to get married at the St. Theresa's church. In order to receive this letter, though,
Father Illikunnumparth demanded the outrageous sum of $3,000. When Joemon questioned the
demand for the $3,000, he was told that such 'voluntary donations' were required of all couples
seeking such a letter, and that this money would go toward the new building construction fund.
When Joemon brought this incident to the attention of Father Illikunnumparth's superiors,
Joemon was told by Bishop Angadiath and also by Fr. Illikunnumparth that they would give him
the letter and that he could proceed with the wedding preparations.
After many months and multiple attempts to get in touch with both Bishop Angadiath and Fr.
Illikunnumparth, Joemon and Jainy still have not received the letter they were promised months
ago. Prepantions forthe wedding, which is less than two weeks away,have aLlbeen finalized.
However because Fr. Illikunnumpantr has refused to provide the letter, the wedding cannot take
place.
As such, I am proud to represent Joemon and Jainy in this legal matter. The pre-suit notice
which is attached to this letter outlines the legal recourse we are pursuing. We expect to receive
the lefter that was promised to Joemon and Jany by 5PM on Thursday, Septernber 27, 2012. If
the letter is not received by this time, my frm will have no other option but to proceed with a
lawsuit against you.
Sincerely,
Joseph Mathew
Managing Attorney
The Law Offices of J. Mathew. PLLC.
The Law Offices of J. M ath€wrPLLC
5100 WestheimerRoad Phone:Q81)241-9722
Suite 200, Houston, TX77056 E-mail : jmathew@imatlewlawfim.com
September 24,2012
Mar Jacob Angadiath
St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Catholic Diocese of Chicago
372 S. Prairie Avenue
Elmhurst, Illinois 60126
Fr. Jose Mathew Illikunnumpurath
2430 Bradford Drive
Missouri City, TX 77489
RE: Joemon James Thundathil
Dear Bishop Angadiath and Fr. Illikunnumpurath:
I represent Mr. Joemon James Thundathil, who has retained me to assert the following claims
against you:
l. Promissory Estoppel
2. Common Law Fraud
3. Civil Conspiracy
4. Extortion
5. Breach of Fiduciary Duty
6. Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress.
This letter is notice of my client's claim and attempt to resolve this matter without litigation.
My client wishes to resolve this matter without filing suit. Therefore, we request that you provide
us the letter that was promised to my client by 5PM on Thursday, Septembet 27, 2012. If this
letter is not received by 5 PM, suit will be filed against you" and my client will seek recovery of
reasonable attorney fees as allowed by Texas Civil Practice & Remedies Code section 38.001 et
seq. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Sincerely,
Joseph Mathew
Managing Attorney
The Law Offrces of J. Matheq PLLC.
ചിക്കാഗോ കനാ
എന്നെന്നും ക്നാനായക്കാരോടൊ പ്പം.
My friends, why kccna needs to get involved with the wrong party? If they have no membership in Knanaya church they have just no right to demand anything not even a Kuri. That is the bottom line. If they were just people they should have marriage solomnized by the latin church, if they refused they should have gone after latin. Here they went after poor malayalee priest. The truth is that they have no membership in latin either, they want to get everything free, it is the land of free according to thundum family
ReplyDeleteWhat a shme. The so called lawyer is no better either, his dad was castised by the church members for not paying its due to the church.
My friend, there MUST not be any fee for receiving sacraments.
DeleteHouston parish council and Achan screwed up big time. I heard that the case is going to the Catholic heirarchy for review now. I wonder who brought it to their attention. I think it will be good for the community to prevent Achans and his hand picked people from further ruining the culture.
Even if they dont have membership in the leagal sense, how shameful of this family to demand Kuri if he has been always agt. this church
DeleteDude, this family DID NOT demand the kuri...read and understand the complete story... They had NO interest in any syro malabar kuri... untill they were forced to approach the knanaya priest after someone from the knanaya chruch put para in the latin church and then the latin church priest directed them to knanaya chruch.
DeleteIt is the mistake of Thundan family, no membership in either knanaya church or Latin church and demanding every thing free.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to follow Latin then go to latin church why you are coming to Knanaya church for Kuri.
The lawyer played cheep publicity game. Knanaya priest never told that he will not conduct the marriage but the latin priest demanded the kuri for marriage so the lawyer should suie against the latin priest.
Fools now crying at this blog for cheep publicity.
The family isn't demanding the Kuri. They are ready to do everything in Latin church. But the stupid Catholic rules is making them to get Kuri for Syro Malabar Church.
DeleteThat is what the knanaya priest says now. But it was another Knanaya priest at the Latin Church that demanded the Kuri.
DeleteJoemon went to the Latin Church where he received all of his previous sacraments. They never made his family get 'permission' from the Kna Church before any other sacrament.
DeleteAccording to you, without a membership in the Latin church, he somehow was able to receive Baptism, Communion, and Confirmation all at this same church. If I could trouble you to use your limited critical thinking skills for just 1 second, you just might be able to realize that all of this is not possible without being a parishioner at the Latin church. But then again, why waste time and energy critically analyzing information for yourself, when it's much easier to regurgitate information passed down through the Kna grapevine. I suppose a lie repeated over and over and over will eventually become true, right?
If anyone else, who have never even spoken to him in your life, wants to continue to contribute factually inaccurate hearsay to this topic, I'll be more than happy to correct your misunderstandings.
Thanks for playing.
SHINE IS froud . He appiered before two years to face the election in new york and he rushed the people with endogomy. after that when he became president he left India with out endorsing to anybody and KCCNA was dead on his time. He failed to respond in Huston church issues,NY quuens church issues. He just seek his safety and forget the comminity'e matter. His time is over he got presidentship. He tried to help John akasala'son Kinginikuttan to became IKCC but failed . He will come with endogomy again when Kingnikuttan want to became IKCC candidate.
ReplyDeleteThese are the usual simple terms used by a third class advocate to terrorise the opposite party. There are even stronger words like writ of certiorari, writ of mandamus, criminal trespass, criminal conspiracy, breach of trust and so on. If it was felt by the plaintiff that there was violation of legal right, then suitable damages also should have claimed. But no such claim in this pre suit notice. No mens rea is established. If we approach Hon'ble courts without sufficient locus standi, the court may award cost on the plaintiff also.
ReplyDeleteDaaamng,(പുത്തിമാന് ജോസutti) priest and bishop didnt know that you exist! what a LOSS!! LOSS OF 3000 DOLLARS AND DIGNITY. .smarter than a lawyer. keep going, you can learn so much from google. you can even become a priest taking online Google classes!!
DeleteWell the Muthu fans will defraud any Kna with little sense, like Chazhi. They just want any position in muthus kana empire . So Shiens sue these b..... And close down these kana kingdom for good.
ReplyDeleteI pray for that too, so that you all will finally find a place in latin church. Thus this endogomy shit will come to an end. Its already late to be done with.
DeleteMission will use like the immoral priests illi and kattel. Kccna show you have the balls. Poozhi where are u?
ReplyDeleteThis message is for all the youth in houston:
ReplyDeleteMy Name is joy Thomas I was the trustee who resigned my position with disagreement with the improper way we bought the church in houston. Iam in houston for about 23 years most of the youngsters know my son shibin Joy he is a good friend of joemon thundathil and he also attend his wedding. He doesnt want to involve any kind of controversy involved in the church issue. Out of the four people we met with mission lawyer for our business purpose my son is one among them. The mission lawyer very clearly explained to us that she told babu mulayanikunnel to wait for two months to get the order from the court to declare paster the owner of the church as bankrupt. Then the bank will put this church in the market and if iam involved i will buy it for 1.2 million half of the price we actually paid.Then my son told the lawyer knanaya people are dump they don't have any brain. i came to know all these things after we close the church. I send a legal letter to conduct a general body , and send a letter to bank only give permission to withdraw the money after we have general body meeting, but babu and jayachan team mislead achan and he annoucned in the church i give letter to stop the loan process. I read two letter in our town hall meeting its clearly states that what was my intention. i have several proof with the talk with bank manager. My only intention was to have a good church with co-operation and friendship with all the families in houston. I can easily achieve my goal but some of the black sheep in our community play double game, otherwise we will have a church in our community center or a good church in another place. our misssion lawyer done this kind of business several of them and save their clients millions of dollars she have several proof. She also told several clients not belong to our community that if she is involved she will buy this church for 1.2 million. I talked to one of the spanish church treasurer he told me that they trying to buy that church for 1.3 million and the party agreed and they were waiting for bankruptcy, that time babu ready to pay more and we bought this church. we have 1.2 million fund in the bank if we properly done this deal we can pay off this church for 1.2 million.I wrote this because iam always with truth and justice. I am beleiving in jesus christ and go to church everyday. i contributed my share also for the church i just hold on my contribution because things are not properly going on in houston. They interpret if people are against injustice they are against church and priest. I request all the youngsters think wisely and act wisely, i am running for kccna candidate for 2013, if you are with truth i need your help to support if there is an election this time. You also have to support Mr. Sagan Manappuram as our next society President. I can assure that he always stand for truth. He is also contributed money for the church. How their oppoenents can say he is not a supporter of church.Mr. Virippan he never say a word for a general body meeting when we have the issue for the church, never say a word against babu mulanaikunnel for the improper way he bouught this church. He is a right hand of babu do we need this kind of people to our community we need strong leadership to stand for truth. If you like to get ride of these crooked fellows to our community we need strong leadership so support sagan.
It is an old story Joy Thomas, say something new. Are you out of your mind reating the same thing over and over again for the last 12 months, and nobody paying attention. People say you and your cospirator need to go to mental as you and Binoy dont make sense anymore.
DeleteFirst of all I want to congratulate and wish the newlywed Couple a beautiful life. I am not feeling sorry for the family for going through this awful pain, but salute them for the valorous display of leadership that may change how the Faithfull’s are looked at by the church in the future.
ReplyDeleteThe laity has set high expectations for the priests/bishops and still blindly believes the Kerala Christian Churches have a strong spiritual foundation and did not notice it replaced by Hard Cash. As good Christians and Knanaya members, it is extremely important we do our very best to Bring back Jesus to the churches and strengthen our faiths. Make Churches the temples of spirituality not casinos and centers of materialistic mockery.
Looking at the issue, I noticed few troubling problems
1.The family was going to Latin Church avoiding the mission
• Why this is happening to families? Why many families are forced to stay away from our missions?
• Can we do something to make the Church change to avoid losing such families? Don’t expect next generation to come to our churches if we don’t force change.
2. Church leaders playing indirectly the role of Pontius Pilot, allowing the Pharisees and the tax collectors to extort and disgrace families denying sacraments.
Some Facts:
• We all know there are extremely good priests/people who are struggling, as they have to support such injustice.
• When an issue comes we express our emotion through few emails and conversations contributing nothing to the future of the community. It creates a short term repulse but nothing for the future.
• Many leaders were never honest or could not implement their ideas because of the structure of the Church and the dynamics of our community where laity has ‘Zero’ power.
• Throughout the church history there was/is an almost an equal number of people who supports church on whatever they do and another group that oppose the church for anything and for no reason. Majority are the ones like many of us, who don’t interfere in both but regular church goers, who go on with their lives and do not want to be part of the nasty politics and dirty campaigns.
• Church Leadership hates Media that questions their authority (Blogs, emails etc)
• Church is vulnerable/scared to Legal Challenges and crumbles even to a legal notice.
How do the believers approach this?
We have the moral obligation to force the church to come to reality, focus more on spiritual needs and little less on commercial aspects. It is important the church leadership have an unselfish focus on the communities growth blended with spirituality. Unless there is a fear factor, church leadership will not change for good.
As a humble beginning
1. Have a Face Book page where such incidents, actions, outcomes are recorded and controlled by a team consisting of people, who went through such experiences. This should include only denial of Sacraments and not generic issues.
2. Have a volunteer legal team as a support group for the community members. Of course this team is only there to make sure the sacraments are not denied and nothing else. If other issues are addressed, that will defeat the purpose.
The intention of the above is not to threaten the church but to protect members, and avoid church becoming too much materialistic forgetting the members. A positive change in the church will increase the confidence of members in the church, and we can go back to a period, where members rich or poor are treated the same by the church strengthening church in every way.
As we wait for the Hurricane Sandy to pass over our heads, hoping it will turn to a tropical storm that wash our cities and the streets of its dirt; let us pray the waves created by the current issue will strengthen our faith, church and the community.
Stephen, NY
I don't know this gentleman, but I do know that he is someone who recognizes a problem and has offered ideas on how to rectify the problem. These are the tough questions that need to be addressed, and not brushed under the rug. This is what a leader should sound like. Thank you.
DeleteDear friend, truth is always truth if it pass 12 years or 2013 years. If Jesus is the truth even his disciples ran away after his crucifix, after he rise again and walk with them and give courage. Then they came back and preach the gospel. Even achan came to our house and explained everything , that lot of people mislead him and if he listen our words our community never split and we can have a nice church. He even didn't know the bankruptcy situation of the church.
ReplyDeleteDear friend, truth is always truth if it Is 12 month or 2013 years old . That is why we believe in Christ.
ReplyDeleteComment very relavent copied from another post:
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I want to congratulate and wish the newlywed Couple a beautiful life. I am not feeling sorry for the family for going through this awful pain, but salute them for the valorous display of leadership that may change how the Faithfull’s are looked at by the church in the future.
The laity has set high expectations for the priests/bishops and still blindly believes the Kerala Christian Churches have a strong spiritual foundation and did not notice it replaced by Hard Cash. As good Christians and Knanaya members, it is extremely important we do our very best to Bring back Jesus to the churches and strengthen our faiths. Make Churches the temples of spirituality not casinos and centers of materialistic mockery.
Looking at the issue, I noticed few troubling problems
1.The family was going to Latin Church avoiding the mission
• Why this is happening to families? Why many families are forced to stay away from our missions?
• Can we do something to make the Church change to avoid losing such families? Don’t expect next generation to come to our churches if we don’t force change.
2. Church leaders playing indirectly the role of Pontius Pilot, allowing the Pharisees and the tax collectors to extort and disgrace families denying sacraments.
Some Facts:
• We all know there are extremely good priests/people who are struggling, as they have to support such injustice.
• When an issue comes we express our emotion through few emails and conversations contributing nothing to the future of the community. It creates a short term repulse but nothing for the future.
• Many leaders were never honest or could not implement their ideas because of the structure of the Church and the dynamics of our community where laity has ‘Zero’ power.
• Throughout the church history there was/is an almost an equal number of people who supports church on whatever they do and another group that oppose the church for anything and for no reason. Majority are the ones like many of us, who don’t interfere in both but regular church goers, who go on with their lives and do not want to be part of the nasty politics and dirty campaigns.
• Church Leadership hates Media that questions their authority (Blogs, emails etc)
• Church is vulnerable/scared to Legal Challenges and crumbles even to a legal notice.
How do the believers approach this?
We have the moral obligation to force the church to come to reality, focus more on spiritual needs and little less on commercial aspects. It is important the church leadership have an unselfish focus on the communities growth blended with spirituality. Unless there is a fear factor, church leadership will not change for good.
As a humble beginning
1. Have a Face Book page where such incidents, actions, outcomes are recorded and controlled by a team consisting of people, who went through such experiences. This should include only denial of Sacraments and not generic issues.
2. Have a volunteer legal team as a support group for the community members. Of course this team is only there to make sure the sacraments are not denied and nothing else. If other issues are addressed, that will defeat the purpose.
The intention of the above is not to threaten the church but to protect members, and avoid church becoming too much materialistic forgetting the members. A positive change in the church will increase the confidence of members in the church, and we can go back to a period, where members rich or poor are treated the same by the church strengthening church in every way.